EB and Forum on Color Management/ISO 12647

Hi everyone!

Our EB is definitely pushing through on Wednesday, May 14 at 5 pm. The venue is the Celebrity Sports Plaza in Diliman, Quezon City. This is near the Katipunan entrance of UP. I will post a map in this thread when I get back to Manila on Friday. For those without transportation, you can just take a cab and tell the driver to go to Celebrity Sports Plaza.

Members who have expressed interest in attending, as of today, are:

1. Larry
2. Billy
3. Presstech
4. Gor
5. Supertrooper
6. Tinman
7. Ibler
8. Friend of APC
9. 4 from COR Asia Printing
10. Photostuff

Sir Fred, thanks for the info.

it's unfortunate management suggested to send a more experience person (not me) to this EB. is this ok? how would the EB work since i don't think we know anyone in person?

I don't think it is proper. I believe our EB is exclusive to forum members only and also for some special friends in the industry. SuperTrooper, this is our affair, not theirs. I hope to see you there.

other than what larry said. you were the one started inquiring about this ISO. Think about what you are going to miss.

Right on the nail, Billy!

I agree. Dapat present si SuperTrooper. This is first and foremost an EB of the group.

This is the map of Celebrity Sports. It's very easy to find. My celphone number is typed on the map for more info on directions.

The venue of the of our EB and Forum on Color Management/ISO 12657 is going to be at Henry's Grill at 131 Maginhawa St., Teachers Village, Quezon City. The place is easier to find than Celebrity Sports Plaza. The food is also a lot lot better.

Here's the map to the place.



See you there on Wednesday, May 14 at 5 pm.

Game na! Di ko alam ang place na ito but I think madaling makita and mas malapit.

See you guys!

Hi presstech. Just want to confirm if we have a laptop for the EB. The new location is a lot better and accessible.

sorry guys, talagang di pumayag ang boss ko dahil medyo kulang kulang pa ang alam ko. told them na yun lang nasa forum ang pwedeng sumali sa EB, unfortunately management is still sticking to their decision. looks like i will miss this one, unless proxy is allowed

larrysison wrote:

Hi presstech. Just want to confirm if we have a laptop for the EB. The new location is a lot better and accessible.

We will have a PC laptop and LCD projector.

SuperTrooper wrote:

sorry guys, talagang di pumayag ang boss ko dahil medyo kulang kulang pa ang alam ko. told them na yun lang nasa forum ang pwedeng sumali sa EB, unfortunately management is still sticking to their decision. looks like i will miss this one, unless proxy is allowed

Why don't you attend together with your more experienced officemate. That's ok with us.

thank you, presstech for the offer and generosity.

paano ko po makilala ang ka-EB dito sa forum?

We will put a sign "Filipino Printers" and also tell the receptionist or waiters.
See you there.

Will be in Manila hopefully by 9am. Can't wait to meet you guys.

good news, pinayagan na ako. i see you guys tomorrow. ty, ty, ty

Thank you Sir Larry and Sir Billy, especially Sir Presstek for organizing this EB seminar.
dami natutunan, at least may goal na pedeng targetin.

just saw at ynzal ads:

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5000K Super Daylight Fluorescent
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Hi All,

Was out for a while because of business. Had tot ravel a lot. At this moment I am in Europe to attent Drupa.
Would love to hear some comments on the seminar from all of you. I talked already to my collegue who attended on my behalf.
Looking forward to start discussing technical things with you guys again.

Hi Frits, I have one doubt....

In the bvdm Media Standards 2006 (also based on ISO 12647) the printable tone range shall be 2% to 98% for 60 lcm. In the ISO docu, however, it states 3% to 97%. Question is....which one should we follow?

Btw, bvdm has revised their 2006 Media Standards. Any news in this regard? Thanks.

fotostuff wrote:

Thank you Sir Larry and Sir Billy, especially Sir Presstek for organizing this EB seminar.
dami natutunan, at least may goal na pedeng targetin.

just saw at ynzal ads:

Lumichrome Full Spectrum Lamps
5000K Super Daylight Fluorescent
With a color temperature of 5000K and a color rendering index of 96, the light of the Lumichrome 1XC full spectrum fluorescent lamp can be compared to outdoor lighting at noon time, the time of day where blue and red parts of the spectrum would be, more or less, present in equal amounts. The applications for this full spectrum fluorescent lamp are general and environmental lighting of all types, including shops, jewelry stores, printing, graphics arts industry, art studios, fabric showrooms, etc.

5000K Lumichrome Fluorescent.....P950

Hi fotostuff.

In case you want to buy it. I can accompany you to Ynzal Marketing during saturdays only.

larrysison wrote:

Hi Frits, I have one doubt....

In the bvdm Media Standards 2006 (also based on ISO 12647) the printable tone range shall be 2% to 98% for 60 lcm. In the ISO docu, however, it states 3% to 97%. Question is....which one should we follow?

Btw, bvdm has revised their 2006 Media Standards. Any news in this regard? Thanks.

Hi Larry,
Sorry for the late reply, but as you know, I am on Drupa at the moment and saw you post only today.
Concerning your question. Normally the ISO standard has to be followed. However, BVDM, like e.g. also UGRA like to do things a bit different than others, just to differenciate themselves. As an example, UGRA is not going to use the ISO certifaction anymore but UGRA certification according ISO 12647. But what is in a name. In the basis everything is the same.
According ISO a 3% dot should be visible on plate, That is the minimum, so a 2% dot is always ok. It basically doesn't make any difference as long as you are not going higher. The same goes for 97 and 98% On the plate this should be open, but as will know, it wil not be possible to keep this open in print. In our case, the SCGM auditor will check on 3% and 97%. Until now, I have not been informed that these figures were changed. So for me the target is still 3 and 97%.

I hope this answer will clear things up.

Best regards

Frits

What I do not understand is why they state in their documentation (e.g. bvdm Media Standards) that it's based on ISO 12647-2....but actually other parameters of the standards have been changed.

Hi Larry,

I will have a meeting with Fogra during the Drupa and see if I can find out if and what offically is changed. I will keep you informed as soon as I know something

Regards

Frits

We'd really appreciate this, Frits. At least we will have some finality on certain issues like having a single TVI curve for all colors, gray balance to be normative, D65/10 or D50/2, etc...)

Btw, I texted my boss your contact number in Germany and where Sinapse booth can be located. I just wish he got the SMS. Stay safe.

Hi Larry,

I had a good talk to your boss already today (he told me good things about you and tomorrow we might have anothe meeting on another interesting issue.

Thanks and regards

Frits

He said good things about me? Hmmm...let me print your post, have it framed, to remind him on our yearly evaluation period. hehehe. Glad to know you got to talk to him so we could have our project up and running in no time.