Who's into color separation here?

Just wondering, almost monthly kasi may bagong nagbubukas. And everytime may nagbubukas na bago, bumabagsak din presyo... It's good naman that we are growing but are we really growing healthy?

I don't really know why Im starting this thread. Marami na din kasi akong kilalang colorsep na umaaray na sa presyo... lahat na tumataas, salary, rent, materials, electricity, water, etc... pero nagtataka ako why bumababa lalo price ng colorsep...

This reminds me of the large format printing business. Maraming pumasok sa negosyo na ito dahil akala nila na madali at malaki ang profit.

Sa dami ng pumasok, nagkaroon ng oversupply at nagbagsakan ng presyo.

you're right sir presstech. and it is very saddening din how some started. Starting under the nose of their current employers, siphoning first their account data base, pirating their staff and leave their employer alone. Parang wala ng Loyalty, Trust or Respect... nakaka-bahala din for all employers who has a sales team. we're suppose to trust them but with the current trend...magda-dalawang isip ka na sa tao mo.

Loyalty, trust or respect? Employers need to earn them from their employee. Hindi 'yan basta-basta nakukuha. At lalong hindi basta-basta ibinibigay ng empleyado.

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I don't really know why Im starting this thread. Marami na din kasi akong kilalang colorsep na umaaray na sa presyo... lahat na tumataas, salary, rent, materials, electricity, water, etc... pero nagtataka ako why bumababa lalo price ng colorsep...

Baka kasi OUTPUT na lang, wala na ang color separations.

Alex Dulay wrote:

Loyalty, trust or respect? Employers need to earn them from their employee. Hindi 'yan basta-basta nakukuha. At lalong hindi basta-basta ibinibigay ng empleyado.

na-mis-interpret mo ata ako sir alex. Baliktad ka ata.

What I mean is, some people who are starting also came from the same field. problem is pumapasok pa sila, nagsisimula na pala yun sarili nyang office.

btw, employer trusted their employee from the moment they are hired, otherwise, he/she will not be hired. peace

Alex Dulay wrote:

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I don't really know why Im starting this thread. Marami na din kasi akong kilalang colorsep na umaaray na sa presyo... lahat na tumataas, salary, rent, materials, electricity, water, etc... pero nagtataka ako why bumababa lalo price ng colorsep...

Baka kasi OUTPUT na lang, wala na ang color separations.

oonga eh. mas mahal pa nga minsan mag-manual contact.

Alex Dulay wrote:

Loyalty, trust or respect? Employers need to earn them from their employee. Hindi 'yan basta-basta nakukuha. At lalong hindi basta-basta ibinibigay ng empleyado.

Boss ko dati diyan sa P.I. lagi kaming sinisigawan kahit walang mali. Tawag sa akin uhugin just because mas matagal sya sa akin sa industriya. 11 months na kami di pa rin kami regular pero mga bagong pasok nya regular agad after 6 months. SSS namin di nire-remit.

Mutual respect dapat para maayos magtrabaho ang mga empleyado. Pag niloko mo ang aral na tao....you'll see him in court. Pag niloloko mo ang common operator mo....hehehe.....magsimula ka na mag-inventory ng gamit. Hahanap at hahanap ng paraan yan para makabawi sayo bago ka iwanan.

larrysison wrote:

Alex Dulay wrote:

Loyalty, trust or respect? Employers need to earn them from their employee. Hindi 'yan basta-basta nakukuha. At lalong hindi basta-basta ibinibigay ng empleyado.

Boss ko dati diyan sa P.I. lagi kaming sinisigawan kahit walang mali. Tawag sa akin uhugin just because mas matagal sya sa akin sa industriya. 11 months na kami di pa rin kami regular pero mga bagong pasok nya regular agad after 6 months. SSS namin di nire-remit.

Mutual respect dapat para maayos magtrabaho ang mga empleyado. Pag niloko mo ang aral na tao....you'll see him in court. Pag niloloko mo ang common operator mo....hehehe.....magsimula ka na mag-inventory ng gamit. Hahanap at hahanap ng paraan yan para makabawi sayo bago ka iwanan.

you're right sir larry, Mutual Respect. I myself as an employer respect my staff regardless of aral siya o hindi, i treat them equally. What Im pointing out is, yun mga empleyado na nirespeto, trinato naman ng employer ng maayos, pero nagawa pa din lokohin employer niya. it happened to me before, I hired him with high respect because of his abilities, but in the end, under my nose, nagtatayo na pala sya ng sarili niya. Good thing, I have a very Loyal staffs who tips me off bago niya pa na-access database namin. To my friend, he did'nt know, kaya ayun, iniwan sya, bitbit database niya, kasama ilang mga tao niya. while he treated them well, very well in fact.

I cannot blame you papaMON because this is really happening. Hidden factories are quite common lalo na sa mga color sep na kumpanya. May alam nga ako pate plantsa ginugupit para lang mailabas. Pero kung may sistema maiiwasan naman ito.

Going back to your original post, tama si presstech, bagsak ang presyo kasi madaming nag o-offer ng colorsep ngayon.

Oh well, that's capitalism at work! If I were in your place, I'll be happy for him. You see, no matter how well you treat your employees, at the end of the day, it's the bottom line that matters.

BTW, when you hired someone it doesn't follows he/she trusted you.

mukhang mas bibigat pa ang competition with the entry
of CTP.
parang litson manok, dami nagtayo, pero it seems na pag maganda
ang product mo at service makakasurvive p din sa price competition.

i agree po sa equal respect, i know po not all nman siguro but almost all of the employer medyo alanganin lalo na sa mga benipisyo ng empleyado, pero siyempre po lahat ng empleyado naman ngangarap din maging boss but it doest mean kailangan mo manggulang para maging boss, lesson cguro po dito hindi mo kailangan bigay hundred percent trust mo sa tao, dahil minsan nga kahit kapatid mo na ginugulangan ka pa what more kung ibang tao pa, sad to say may ganyan talaga.... pero kung tapat ka sa tao, dont worry may good karma naman

larrysison wrote:

Alex Dulay wrote:

Loyalty, trust or respect? Employers need to earn them from their employee. Hindi 'yan basta-basta nakukuha. At lalong hindi basta-basta ibinibigay ng empleyado.

Boss ko dati diyan sa P.I. lagi kaming sinisigawan kahit walang mali. Tawag sa akin uhugin just because mas matagal sya sa akin sa industriya. 11 months na kami di pa rin kami regular pero mga bagong pasok nya regular agad after 6 months. SSS namin di nire-remit.

Mutual respect dapat para maayos magtrabaho ang mga empleyado. Pag niloko mo ang aral na tao....you'll see him in court. Pag niloloko mo ang common operator mo....hehehe.....magsimula ka na mag-inventory ng gamit. Hahanap at hahanap ng paraan yan para makabawi sayo bago ka iwanan.

Sir.. Para sakin sa salitang kanto ang tao di aral kapag inaso mo aasuhin karin pero pinakitahan mo maganda ang di aral kahit buhay nya bibigay nya sayo..mas maraming company na nagsasara dahil sa mga taong aral na empleyado nila...
ang di aral kumupit man sa Company barya barya lang ang aral halos limasin ang Company..lolzzzz kung sa Gobyerno nga natin lahat ng naka upo..masasabi mo nangungurakot ehhh pero lahat sila ARAL...kaya wag na natin i down ung mababa na...(basta wag nyo kalimutan Vote: Jhondbaptist for President) lolzzz Peace

pahabol sir...ang di ARAL kagatin kaman parang kagat lang ng langgam..
pero ang ARAL na tao pag kinagat ka sakmal pati ulo...jokejokejoke...
wala lang magawa sir...kaya nambuburaot nalang. peace

PAPAmon madami kasing nagbagsak ng presyo para mahabol nila yung rental fee nila sa makina na 100k per month yata.
Sa ngayon maybe they survive pero how long or how long do service bureau will survive kung magbagsak sila ng price.
Maaaring bumagsak ang presyo dahil madaming nag susupply pero ang malakas magbagsak ng presyo yung mga nag rent
ng makina. To earn 100k income in a service bureau you have atleast 500k or 600k of sales per month, so kung gusto mong kumita
din ng 100k per month need mong mag benta ng 1m+. So bagsak presyo ang solution nila.

I think the problem of bagsak presyo exists in almost all industries and not only on the color separation business. I does not really matter whether the machines are owned, rented or financed.

In the printing business, bagsak presyo is really a challenge, especially for big jobs. There are times that the competitors gives a price that seems to be impossible to make a profit on. Maybe, they have a secret that we don't know. Could they be importing their own paper? Maybe they have a higher production efficiency. If they price their products at a loss, then we have nothing to worry about; because eventually they will close shop. If they don't close, then it means that they are making a profit.

Ganyan talaga ang negosyo Pards.

Tama! Hopefully mag evolve someday and colorsep business at printing business into good.